I’ve seen that so often in maternity service.. the message is always” be a good girl and don’t rock the boat” Huh, good luck with that one. That boat has sailed. Make a noise!!!!
Thanks again Milli . The way some women in positions in maternity can create / push their ideology with confidence they are right and this view is wrong has been terribly upsetting and oppressive. Now there is a route to respond to their skewed agenda .
It's becoming increasingly a position that they can't hold - surely? Presumably they will just quietly revert to not promoting it. I doubt there will ever be an apology, just a quiet backtrack? x
I believe it will be framed as there surprisingly turned out to be some issues and the people who tried to flag them for years/decades were always just bigots
yes - some are already taking this line. There are a lot of 'receipts' though so I don't think they'll fully get away with it! Even if they do, the main thing is that hopefully the harmful practices will stop....x
Brilliant as usual Milli! This is why I use a pseudonym: because I have been involved in one of your named gender riddled organizations since before this harmful and destructive ideology burst out of academia and infested everything. I have seen letters written by the "head office" which state that "more research needs to done around male lactation", (um, no it doesn't; why would you think that destroying the mother/baby dyad is a positive step forward?) and stating that "we are not a single sex organization"! Except that we are unless you are including natal males as "mothers" (which is the legal basis for our charitable status in many countries). https://lucyleader.substack.com/p/la-leche-league-eliminates-mothers
But what bothers me the most is the celebration around the mutilation of young people. By promoting and publicizing harmful and unnecessary medical "treatments" adults are removing the choices that these girls (and boys) would have normally had. They won't be able to choose to have their own children as they have been rendered infertile thanks to gender Borg "affirmation". An entire generation is being lost to this experimentation that is only going to bring them ill health and unhappiness because in the end, you only have the body you are born in, and it is never the "wrong" one.
I hope eventually organisations like LLL will be held to account and will have to explain why, as a women's breastfeeding organisation, they got so wholeheartedly behind things like male lactation or elective mastectomy?? I can understand how they wanted to seem 'inclusive' but this seems a step too far lol. I am here for the reckoning anyway xx
Dear Milli, I agree wholeheartedly with you and every time you write about your experience I am shocked.. But I must admit, what I don't understand at all is why so many women in maternity care have taken the stance they have. From the very beginning of the emergence of trans I felt uncomfortable. I couldn't put my finger on what about. I have no problem with adults identifying however they want and have known many male cross dressers. However it was more that when people started questioning the "rights" of the trans and were labelled transphobic it struck me as strange.. Surely anyone has the right to question. Questioning is not phobia. And then the violent response was to someone questioning also seemed strange.. But then how quickly many organisations leapt on the bandwagon when it was clear, I felt, from the beginning that the "rights" of trans, especially men wanting to identify as women was going to undermine the rights of women and children. So why did so many organisations who supposedly support the rights of women and children not see how trans rights would take away all the hard earned rights of women and children.. ..For sure I questioned it myself and did a lot of soul searching. My business is called "Wellmother".. and it is about supporting mothering values as well as mothers in our society.. Mothering in every sense.. and I feel also that men can be "mothering" too.. but mother represents something fundamental..
And as you point out, many of these organisations supposedly support more natural ways of being.. And giving puberty blockers always struck me as one of the worst things to give an adolescent.. So again why?...
If you or anyone has the answer I'd love to know!...
One of the Ten Concepts that is supposed to guide LLLI is: "Good nutrition means eating a well-balanced and varied diet of foods in as close to their natural state as possible." But supporting bodies that have been totally removed from their natural state is now required of all Leaders, and any questioning of this will get you swiftly booted out.
yes, but....surely they can allow questioning?!...that's the bit I get most upset about.. Booted out for questioning? And that question is a relevant one.. Questioning how damaging it can be for future generations as well as the present to give drugs which create ill health.. At least to question.... that is a liberty.. if we never questioned all women would probably be bottle feeding now!!
I rack my brains about all this daily and the only thing I can come up with is that it's cult like thinking. It's a neo-religion / cult. I can't think of any other explanation for the complete abandonment of critical thought and the punishment of 'heretics' / dissenters.
"Questioning" is taken as evidence of bigotry and harm. Presently there are no places for LLL volunteers to have any sort of full and frank discussions or to ask questions about just what "inclusion" means for a group that was founded to support women to breastfeed (in an era when, yes, most babies were bottle fed and breastfeeding was seen as a slightly kooky and an unnecessary practice).
Thanks Tina. I am so disappointed in them. Not least because I thought SB was a friend but she did absolutely nothing to support me but instead chose to save her own skin. Horrible.
I was a qualified practicing midwife in Scotland for 43 years until I retired almost 13 years ago and I dread to think what my former profession has been turned into by these insane people. I'm sure I would be disciplined ,sacked even ,if I was still there because I definitely wouldn't be able to keep my mouth shut !! To hear the RCM and the RCOG describe SEX as being "assigned at birth " shocks me to the core . They are LYING and they KNOW it and that's evidence of their cowardice and dishonesty. This shows that they have no integrity or moral compass left ,and I pray for the mothers and babies in their " care "!!. Thanks ,Milli.❤️👍
It is shocking isn't it but then the current birth practices promoted by RCOG / RCM are a million miles from woman centred, so why should anything else they do be? :-(
I’ve seen that so often in maternity service.. the message is always” be a good girl and don’t rock the boat” Huh, good luck with that one. That boat has sailed. Make a noise!!!!
Well I've always been a bit noisy ;-) xx
Thanks again Milli . The way some women in positions in maternity can create / push their ideology with confidence they are right and this view is wrong has been terribly upsetting and oppressive. Now there is a route to respond to their skewed agenda .
It's becoming increasingly a position that they can't hold - surely? Presumably they will just quietly revert to not promoting it. I doubt there will ever be an apology, just a quiet backtrack? x
I believe it will be framed as there surprisingly turned out to be some issues and the people who tried to flag them for years/decades were always just bigots
yes - some are already taking this line. There are a lot of 'receipts' though so I don't think they'll fully get away with it! Even if they do, the main thing is that hopefully the harmful practices will stop....x
Mmm let’s see ….
Brilliant as usual Milli! This is why I use a pseudonym: because I have been involved in one of your named gender riddled organizations since before this harmful and destructive ideology burst out of academia and infested everything. I have seen letters written by the "head office" which state that "more research needs to done around male lactation", (um, no it doesn't; why would you think that destroying the mother/baby dyad is a positive step forward?) and stating that "we are not a single sex organization"! Except that we are unless you are including natal males as "mothers" (which is the legal basis for our charitable status in many countries). https://lucyleader.substack.com/p/la-leche-league-eliminates-mothers
But what bothers me the most is the celebration around the mutilation of young people. By promoting and publicizing harmful and unnecessary medical "treatments" adults are removing the choices that these girls (and boys) would have normally had. They won't be able to choose to have their own children as they have been rendered infertile thanks to gender Borg "affirmation". An entire generation is being lost to this experimentation that is only going to bring them ill health and unhappiness because in the end, you only have the body you are born in, and it is never the "wrong" one.
I hope eventually organisations like LLL will be held to account and will have to explain why, as a women's breastfeeding organisation, they got so wholeheartedly behind things like male lactation or elective mastectomy?? I can understand how they wanted to seem 'inclusive' but this seems a step too far lol. I am here for the reckoning anyway xx
Dear Milli, I agree wholeheartedly with you and every time you write about your experience I am shocked.. But I must admit, what I don't understand at all is why so many women in maternity care have taken the stance they have. From the very beginning of the emergence of trans I felt uncomfortable. I couldn't put my finger on what about. I have no problem with adults identifying however they want and have known many male cross dressers. However it was more that when people started questioning the "rights" of the trans and were labelled transphobic it struck me as strange.. Surely anyone has the right to question. Questioning is not phobia. And then the violent response was to someone questioning also seemed strange.. But then how quickly many organisations leapt on the bandwagon when it was clear, I felt, from the beginning that the "rights" of trans, especially men wanting to identify as women was going to undermine the rights of women and children. So why did so many organisations who supposedly support the rights of women and children not see how trans rights would take away all the hard earned rights of women and children.. ..For sure I questioned it myself and did a lot of soul searching. My business is called "Wellmother".. and it is about supporting mothering values as well as mothers in our society.. Mothering in every sense.. and I feel also that men can be "mothering" too.. but mother represents something fundamental..
And as you point out, many of these organisations supposedly support more natural ways of being.. And giving puberty blockers always struck me as one of the worst things to give an adolescent.. So again why?...
If you or anyone has the answer I'd love to know!...
One of the Ten Concepts that is supposed to guide LLLI is: "Good nutrition means eating a well-balanced and varied diet of foods in as close to their natural state as possible." But supporting bodies that have been totally removed from their natural state is now required of all Leaders, and any questioning of this will get you swiftly booted out.
but why? On what basis?...
On the basis (I presume) that LLL "supports everyone who wants to feed their baby human milk". https://lucyleader.substack.com/p/the-power-of-words
yes, but....surely they can allow questioning?!...that's the bit I get most upset about.. Booted out for questioning? And that question is a relevant one.. Questioning how damaging it can be for future generations as well as the present to give drugs which create ill health.. At least to question.... that is a liberty.. if we never questioned all women would probably be bottle feeding now!!
I rack my brains about all this daily and the only thing I can come up with is that it's cult like thinking. It's a neo-religion / cult. I can't think of any other explanation for the complete abandonment of critical thought and the punishment of 'heretics' / dissenters.
"Questioning" is taken as evidence of bigotry and harm. Presently there are no places for LLL volunteers to have any sort of full and frank discussions or to ask questions about just what "inclusion" means for a group that was founded to support women to breastfeed (in an era when, yes, most babies were bottle fed and breastfeeding was seen as a slightly kooky and an unnecessary practice).
Thank you again Milli. So glad I cancelled my subscription to Practicing Midwife. Far better use supporting you and Sex Matters.
Thanks Tina. I am so disappointed in them. Not least because I thought SB was a friend but she did absolutely nothing to support me but instead chose to save her own skin. Horrible.
I was a qualified practicing midwife in Scotland for 43 years until I retired almost 13 years ago and I dread to think what my former profession has been turned into by these insane people. I'm sure I would be disciplined ,sacked even ,if I was still there because I definitely wouldn't be able to keep my mouth shut !! To hear the RCM and the RCOG describe SEX as being "assigned at birth " shocks me to the core . They are LYING and they KNOW it and that's evidence of their cowardice and dishonesty. This shows that they have no integrity or moral compass left ,and I pray for the mothers and babies in their " care "!!. Thanks ,Milli.❤️👍
It is shocking isn't it but then the current birth practices promoted by RCOG / RCM are a million miles from woman centred, so why should anything else they do be? :-(